Lazerpig is wrong about the Defiant

I really didn’t think I’d do another blog post about Star Trek Spaceships possibly ever, but Miltuber (and NCD darling) Lazerpig did the angry review thing on the Defiant.

While Defiant isn’t my favorite Trek ship, DS9 is probably my favorite Trek show so I felt the need to rise to the occasion. Or at least gather my thoughts so I don’t need to send the same rant to multiple different chats.

Why build a defiant

Lazerpig has chosen to critique the Defiant as it was designed, not the production variant that includes a cloaking device. So I don’t think we should be evaluating its actual uses in the same way we might evaluate a ship that went into full production and deployment.

He spends a lot of time talking about why Fed ships tend to be cruisers but doesn’t really engage with why you’d maybe want to build something like the Defiant. I thought it was obvious from the dialogue; it’s meant to be a glass cannon that they could field in greater numbers than cruisers. Which makes a ton of sense if the goal was something they could launch at short notice in great numbers to rain absolute hell on some Borg cubes.

The amount of firepower per ton on the Defiant is outstanding. It can solo an Excelsior. Came damned close to destroying a Jem’Hadar Dreadnought. They probably didn’t intend to deploy only one at a time!

Also consider the risk of deploying a Defiant. I say “a” Defiant because Sisko chewed through two. When a Galaxy goes down the Federation is taking a massive loss in personnel and material. When a Defiant goes down, you build a new one. Everyone probably got to the escape pods because the ship is tiny anyway, but if they didn’t, whatever, what’s one squad of mutinous cadets?

Railguns don’t work in Trek, and his other intuitions seem wrong

He makes much of the battle of Sector 001 (the opening of First Contact), but really I think that whole scene shows that the Federation was prepared for the Borg successfully. They blew heck out of that cube. He for some reason thinks that Trek shields can only stop phasers and that they should simply use regular guns on the borg because Picard tommy-gunned one drone.

Maybe it wasn’t clear enough in the movie, but that wasn’t an actual gun with actual bullets, it was a hologram. So it really shouldn’t tell you “bullets always penetrate shields”, it indicates that the Borg hadn’t expected to be shot with a hologram, but they don’t do it again because the Borg adapt to new threats. There’s no indication that a railgun would be any different. You get one railgun shot and that’s it. But it’s sillier than that.

We definitely don’t in star trek, as far as I can recall, ever see a situation where ‘oops, got hit by a solid object because our shields don’t work against those’ but we get a lot of a lot of ‘bonk’ “Shields at 50%!”If anything, shields are more effective against kinetic threats. Star Trek shields presumably already work against solid objects traveling at high speeds because they are able to travel through space without getting shredded by micrometeorites, debris from exploded enemies, and other space junk. The big deflector dish is called the “Navigational deflector” for a reason. You can see this in the opening titles of Strange New Worlds; an asteroid smashes harmlessly against the gorgeously redesigned Connie. Also, projectiles in Trek like torpedoes are already solid objects–you can’t load cadaver-Spock into an energy burst. Besides, we regularly hear of probes being launched, which presumably also can’t simply sidle up to enemy ships and detonate.

Feds don’t use railguns because a phaser is a swiss army knife that can be used (by both the characters and the writers) to deal with many different situations and if you have the right intel can bypass enemies shields. The writers can only do so much with flung metal; a scifi beam can do cool scifi things as needed, and that’s exactly the type of flexibility he himself highlighted in the beginning of his video.

But suppose your targets shields are down, one might object. In Trek, an unshielded target is already dead. A single torpedo can usually destroy an unshielded ship, or you can board it, or use your transporter to space the entire crew, or use your phasers to disable its weapons to have a nice chat. All that is to say, Trek weapons are judged mostly on their ability to strip shields. Considering how effective shields are at keeping a superluminal spaceship from splattering on interstellar dust, I think it’s safe to assume that they’re more effective against solid objects than they are against energy weapons.

But it gets worse for mass drivers. Conventional projectiles are simply too slow to be effective in an environment where targets can maneuver faster than light. You’re not going to be able to hit stuff with a railgun in Trek. The speed of light is the bare minimum and only effective at “both ships are on screen at the same time” range.

Sourcing issues

This is personal preference, but I don’t like his sourcing. He says Star Destroyers must not be do-anything ships because there are a million variants, but there are only a million variants because people writing what’s basically blessed fanfic all want to add new space ships. On screen they use one or two variants per trilogy. Similarly, his harshest criticism is centered on basically the deck plan of the ship from the technical manual that only exists to look cool and be nerdy. It’s a fictional spaceship and he barely touches on the way it works in the fiction, instead focusing squarely on ancillary minutia. Maybe this is part of his format because he usually talks about real life vehicles and the information is factual. But in a show like Trek, the only truth is the show that ends up broadcast. Treating outside information as gospel is, in my opinion, silly. A Star Trek spaceship isn’t a collection of statistics, it’s a prop used to tell stories and it’s more or less whatever the story needs it to be.

It’s just a game, who cares

I just want to add the caveat that this is a frivolous response to a frivolous piece. In defending the honor of a fictional spaceship I’m not trying to drag down your favorite YouTuber or anything. If something genuinely animates me it’s people’s attachment to learning off-screen minutia about fictional worlds. You’re investing your precious attention on something that can be invalidated at the stroke of a screenwriter’s pen!

I got the impression that Pig spent more time reading technical manuals in his research than he did watching DS9 and that’s a shame because it’s great fiction and challenges the audience a lot more than arguing about the utility of a detachable crewed missile module does.

TL; DR

Would you rather have one Galaxy or Twenty Defiants? You want the Defiants.

Small Stuff

Looking back at this list, it’s interesting what stuck with me. They’re all vehicles! I guess I just find vehicles appealing. Some vehicles toys are well documented, so I won’t bore you with a repetition of the hotwheels wiki. What i want to consider today are what you might call modern “Penny Toys” are the kind of thing you’d find in a gumball machine, or on the table at the end of a party, discarded. They’re of a sort of hard to find now: not tied (legally anyway) to a franchise or character. But there’s something alluring about the mystery of trying to track down who made them, so let’s do it.

Bruder Mini: Space

Bruder is a toy company that still exists, making die cast vehicles. They no longer support their line of “mini” plastic vehicles, though they mention it in their history. There was a space line in silver, white, and blue, and more realistic vehicles in bright colors.

In Unit 01 colors no less. I’ve seen a small number of other palettes online.

I don’t know if the zany colored ones came out before or after the more common blue/white/silver ones.

Saucer in classic colors

Bruder Mini: Trains

Though long lost, I definitely had an an engine and a couple of passenger cars. Managed to find a lot of them on Ebay. They’re still adorable. They’re a neat combination of bright colors, crisp detail, and functionality. Not perfect fit and finish by any means, but at this price point, who’s complaining?

Accoutrements/Archie McPhee

These designs seem familiar

Not everyone was content to use public domain designs like flying saucers.

The easy part of figuring these out is figuring out where the design comes from-they’re mostly vehicles from thunderbirds (ignore the Star Wars one for now.)

You can see that the mold has been altered-it used to say Hong Kong but that’s been scratched out and China has been added.

The holes made them perfect to mount on Micromachine star trek stands

I initially had a tough time finding any attestation of these neat little plastic ships online. I know that at one point Accouterments sold them in a big tub (probably a gross each) but I can’t find that product photo any longer. I know I discovered this during the google era, because the models on the left are ones I purchased online.

I sent an email to Archie-McPhee, who got back to me with a link to this archived page:

Never seen the aliens before

They were called ‘alien and spaceship invasion.’ No luck on the star wars ship. I do wonder if it came from the same factory, but I have very little to go on for it. It uses a different type of plastic, but I swear the overall sensibility is similar enough. It came in a grocery store blister pack with a cooler looking spaceship with the same ‘moulded top screwed into acrylic bottom’ design, and a short knock off lightsaber type thing.

Z-Cardz

These plasticard punchouts came in randomized packs. The ink has held up surprisingly well. Influences are sometimes clear-a couple look like they’re from Cowboy Bebop, and I think I see a Droid Fighter. Classic shmups seem to have influenced these heavily as well.

We had a lot of fun building these back in the day. I managed to get my hands on some un-punched ones, remind me to scan them so you can make your own copies out of plasticard. If that’s important to you for some reason.

This product line eventually evolved into much larger more detailed models, and apparently a tabletop game.

Shackman & Co Five Piece Train Set

Five to a pack

It was surprisingly easy to find these considering I had only a single one and no accompanying documentation. I think I just searched for “small plastic train 90s” and the like.

These seemed to have a random assortment of colors. They’re four parts: two sides, top, and chassis. Very neat little pieces. All identical. They shipped in a Christmas ornament which itself looked like a train. Something about the soft shape and tiny size made them super appealing to my kid self. Always wondered if there was a whole line of these, but it’s just the one mold.

Pretty close to N scale though.

I heard you like trains so I put a train in your train